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Quote from nancy

Maybe. Depends on what he wants to do with them.

On the flip side, would you tell someone with clinical depression that they're a freak and that you disagree with their lifestyle? Or that you don;t agree with their depression?

Just fucking with you, but it's kind of what you seem to be arguing.

I force myself to get up and out and going, no more sleeping late or pity parties over bad choices. I've been winning that battle every day for the past 13 years, no meds. I don't like being coddled or condescended to because if it, that only serves to piss me off.

Once I realized I had it I took the same approach that I do at work. Gather data, form a plan, execute. I reserarched the shit out of it. Changed my diet, took up hobbies that got me outdoors and had a lot more get togethers at home.

It's beat me a few times. I've called into work and vegged out watching TV or skipped out on a dinner or two but not lately.

I beat its ass. That's what I did. I also beat a sugar addiction, wasn't easy giving up all the foods I liked, but I did. BP is now normal without meds. Wasn't easy.

There is a world outside your comfort zone, first steps a bitch, but it's worth it.

You had no way to know I once suffered from it but I'm glad you chose it as an example.

One size fits all?

bait.. we have those also but I am talking about the unisex ones. just a toilet and a sink and a door that locks. The door has a sign on it that is the men/women/handicap one.

This solves the problem.. crazed razer bathroom monitors can't even follow people in cause the door locks.

Razer.. on depression... I can truly say I have never been depressed more than a few hours in my life. I move on. as for diet? mine is the worst but I never was one for sugar really. Yesterday I had two tuna fish sandwiches... probly today too just to finish it off.

I have never slept in.. mostly I get up with the sun. If I give up a food it is because I am tired of it. No work was ever 'fun' for me but I always make the most of it.

My buddy is retired air force. everything he does is planned to the inth degree. He lives in an almost mansion and all his bikes and cars are spotless. his shop is spotless. he stays with a project until it is done putting everything away every time he quits.. basically he doesn't have any projects. He used to try to 'reform' me but gave up... now he just enjoys coming over and wallowing in the filth and half finished projects and decadence.

When we ride he has to stop almost exactly at noon to eat. I rarely bother and just have a beer. It is weird we get along. he does stuff I never do like coaching his girls athletic stuff like swimming and soccer.

Like I said...weird we get along.. but we do.

lazs

yeah.. the point escapes me too. I guess I am lucky.. . I never really consciously do things to make myself happy.. hell I have to slow down a lot of times.

The main thing I think tho is to not do things that make you unhappy and maybe more importantly.. see the good in whatever situation you are in.

lazs

Quote from Baitman

Lazs.

They are everywhere. They are called handicap washrooms.

Yep and Family restrooms, they are everywhere.

Great.. so any person or even dog can go into one.... lock the door and even a crazed razer can't get in?

Ours used to be called handicap washrooms.. but then they added the little man/woman hieroglyphics to the door. If yours does not have that last then it is useless for the purposes of the argument. Basically it has to be a lockable bathroom that anyone can use.

Problem solved... no one gets arrested or shot or anything.

lazs

Quote from nancy

So, Razer, you're basically saying that you did whatever it took to be happy. Same here.

It still it still doesn't change my question though just because you suffered from it. You're basically saying that someone with a mental illness..... Well, that you don't agree with it. What does that even mean?

No no no, if I did that I would have given up on life, stayed home with the curtains closed and eventually probably ended it.

I'm keenly aware of the chemical shitstorm sitting on most grocery shelves and what it does to the body. Hormones in the water supply don't help anything either.

I can't be an enabler and tell you it's ok. Just can't.

More to this but I've got to finish eating then replace our two year old disposal that started leaking.

pretty sure nuke got it figured out on his own without you enabling or not enabling him.

lazs

My lovely wife is looking at me, beaming as I softly sing

Razer, I can kinda get where you're coming from...

Once I held a similar view.

However having worked with many who have made a transition from. On to the other, and having a daughter who has fought her whole life against being a girl... Which is particularly difficult for her because she's got a perfect slim hourglass figure, very tall and an F cup chest.

I've seen first hand the struggle she's gone through with her disphoria.

Now she's 18 she's able to attend the gender clinic and she's discussing her options..

Right now her mother and I are supportive, but urging she not go too far straight away, and just take it slowly.. Like going for a reduction to B cup, which she can easily bind comfortably, and go with that for a while to be sure of what she wants to be before taking them. Off completely...

Seeing it all in my face and first hand with a child of my own kind of brings it out of the closet for me, and I cannot ignore it, or dismiss it.

yeah.. that's cool and all but he is getting pretty long in the tooth to grow up now. Good luck on your daughter strange... sounds like you are at least looking at options.. it is a huge step I would imagine.

lazs

It was always something that happened to other people... Then suddenly it happened to me lol

I had to learn how to deal with it.

I still don't buy this 10000000000 genders stuff... But I can understand how someone would want to change from one to another. Either way, there's still two genders, and sometimes you get to decide if you want to change from the one you were born with the the one you feel you belong in.

I am leery of the whole thing too but I am always reminded of one of my gay brothers who always said that he did not believe anyone was straight.. that we were all just pretending.

it is human nature to think that everyone likes or needs the same things as us. Like a lot of things.. I don't know the reasons or causes or whatever and really.. it doesn't make any difference. It's like asking why negros are the dumbest and most violent race on the planet... I mean... who cares? it is what it is.

lazs

To be honest my wife carries and is capable of taking care of herself. Living with me for 30 years has given her a mean edge that I only see when I forget to do something after being reminded 5 times or at the range.

Nuke is not a threat, it's the other ones that worry me, the predators in sheeps clothing.

In the end my opinion has no bearing on what anyone does but this is a discussion forum so, you know..

This is what would happen if any pervert wanted to kidnap Ren....

Great, I need a flanged tail piece to finish up.

Sonofabitch.

I hate going to Walmart.