What's going on in Virginia?

  • You're not wrong, however I'd submit a few things too.


    You're forgetting that there is already 10s of thousands of trained vets in the population, many former SF people trained specifically to be force enlargers by rapidly training others. I'd bet there is 100,000 people in this state who have had some level of professional training, and it wouldn't take much to spin them up to something that would give a real headache to any military action. While you're 100 infantrymen are the deployed force on the ground doing whatever, a few diversions here and there and you can move up a very, very large armed force from a line of departure to attack position pretty easily IMO, which would quickly overwhelm and defeat those 100 government soldiers.


    In terms of dealing with military drones/etc, there is probably stored munitions in lightly guarded facilities that lots of said civilian vets are aware of, and it wouldn't take much to seize those if the people decide to act first (I'm talking about manpads and other handy items like anti tank missiles, Javelins/etc, that aren't available to civilians). Whatever the case may be, I sure wouldn't write off a pissed off populace so quickly. Look what the insurgents in the mideast have been capable of, without a 1/10 the resources available to US citizens in terms of weapons, ammunition, supplies, and training, all 4 of which a significant portion of the armed citizens have stockpiled for years.

  • Not gonna happen but for the sake of speculation if the shooting starts in Virginia it will draw in the nation. Trump won't stand by and let the guard or anyone else slaughter civilians and he wields a far more powerful sword than any Governor.

  • Yes Gman, my point exactly... Remember my premise was that if the Virginians only defend their own house and family... And that they need to organize to have a chance against a trained military force. Those thousands of veterans would be instrumental in training and leading an organized insurrection... However, if it is every man for himself it is just a matter of going from house to house.


    The Americans did it to the British.


    The Mujaheddin did it to the Soviets.


    The Taliban are still doing it to the Americans/NATO.


    The Virginians need to do it to the National Guard if it comes to that.

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • Not gonna happen but for the sake of speculation if the shooting starts in Virginia it will draw in the nation. Trump won't stand by and let the guard or anyone else slaughter civilians and he wields a far more powerful sword than any Governor.

    Yet the law prohibits him from using the U.S. military on U.S. soil. Only the National Guard of each state. That's my understanding of the law anyways...

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • Yet the law prohibits him from using the U.S. military on U.S. soil. Only the National Guard of each state. That's my understanding of the law anyways...

    If the Guard starts shooting he could and likely would declare martial law.

  • And then you have a civil war. Short lived one hopefully, or it might spread to other states...

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • It would be short only if the anti-constitutionalists were put down quick. Like I said before though, millions will pour into Virginia to help. And as you mentioned they will be going after the head of the snake.

  • It worked in every socialist and fascist country that has ever existed. They were all disarmed at gunpoint. Some fought and died where they stood. Didn't change anything.


    The Afghan rebels/terrorists/islamists/unlawful combatants/freedom fighters/whatever is a hell of lot more organized and trained in unconventional warfare than your average citizen.


    And that's my point. The Virginians will have to become organized and trained like the Taliban if they are to have any chance against a military force.

    Governer Fleshball better dig himself into a very deep bunker if he plans on doing something stupid. Pitting local polices forces against the national guard won't work out very well for him.


  • They know what will happen if they try it so they’re not going to try it just yet. Some day but not now.

    Backyard Commandos INC, HMFIC


    I disagree but I respect your right to be stupid.


    Winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners.


    It's hard for liberals with mental disorders to think that other people don't also have the same mental disorders. - Danneskjold 2018

  • We outnumber them.


    Those itching for a fight will go first.


    It will be over shortly.


    They know this.


    Wont come to that this time.


    Backyard Commandos INC, HMFIC


    I disagree but I respect your right to be stupid.


    Winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners.


    It's hard for liberals with mental disorders to think that other people don't also have the same mental disorders. - Danneskjold 2018

  • Yet the law prohibits him from using the U.S. military on U.S. soil. Only the National Guard of each state. That's my understanding of the law anyways...

    Posse Comitatus law, right? Always found it strange that it applied to the US Military (different branches during different eras, but it's all of them now isn't it, with excepmtions for the Coast Guard?). Why not the national guard units too, they get called up to perform the same missions as regular forces, yet aren't under the same umbrella for using force against their own citizens? Odd.

  • If you outnumbered them you would have won the election. Geography means nothing. It's just dirt. People matter. Just like back in 1863 when the U.S. Navy leveled several city blocks of New York with cannon fire; if Virginia descends into a shooting conflict the outcome will be determined by which side the Federal Government sides with.

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • If you outnumbered them you would have won the election. Geography means nothing. It's just dirt. People matter. Just like back in 1863 when the U.S. Navy leveled several city blocks of New York with cannon fire; if Virginia descends into a shooting conflict the outcome will be determined by which side the Federal Government sides with.

    There are useful idiots out there who still believe that the dems aren't coming for their guns. Perhaps this will be a wakeup. Probably not.

    Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. — C.S. Lewis

    :this