What the fuck is going on lately??

  • These shooters aren't the sharpest tacks around. They're relatively rare... a tiny tiny fraction of the murders in this country. It requires a special confluence of crazy, misanthropy, and basic technical ability... many people have one or two of these. Few have all three.


    Now, I'll readily agree that since there are millions upon millions of semi-automatic assault rifles out there, it'd be a herculean task to control those. It's be a long time befor such a.law would be effective.


    But once fully implemented... why would it be any different than laws restricting full auto weapons?

  • But.... twat.... we did try it. They were banned for about 10 years as were all magazines of more than ten rounds.


    It did nothing to the homicide or even firearms homicide numbers. isn't ten years enough to find out if it works or not?


    There are lots and lots of semi auto rifles out there. you can't just ban 'assault' rifles and get rid of semi auto shootings. So you would have to ban all semi auto rifles.


    Anyone with a shred of honesty... and a dash of logic knows that taking away some Iowa farmers AR is not gonna lower the homicide.


    lazs

    "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."



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  • You're one to talk about a 'shred of honesty'. You know damn well that the 1994 ban wasn't a 'ban' in any real sense. Numerous work-arounds. Hell I bought my Chicom SKS and some 30 round clips during the ban. All perfectly legal, which you damn well know.


    Now, I'm not saying I want an assault weapons ban. I'm ambivalent about that. I'm asking a pretty narrow question:


    *IF* ownership of semi-auto guns with high capacity magazines was restricted similarly to how full auto weapons are restricted, *then* would that not similarly reduce their use in mass shootings and other crimes?


    Are you capable of answering that narrow question? Or can you just not help muddying the waters?

  • *IF* ownership of semi-auto guns with high capacity magazines was restricted similarly to how full auto weapons are restricted, *then* would that not similarly reduce their use in mass shootings and other crimes?

    No. 3D printing has made this arms control attempt impossible. If you plan ahead enough to wear ear plugs to your mass murder, you can print a high cap. You can print lowers too, and they're getting a lot better over time.

  • So... you're saying that gun regulations have stopped these shooters from acquiring these demonstrably more dangerous fully autimatic weapons.

    Not really. The Laws that outlawed them came from the Gangster era . Tommy Guns in Movies. Back in the 30s one could purchase anything one wanted, there were no mass murders except between criminals. There has never been a "Mass Shooting"that killed innocents and used fully Auto weapons that I am aware of. (Bump Stocks don't count) Just another "Feel Good" Law enacted by Politicos who wanted to show how much they were doing.

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    Lemme say that again... I don't care. If. The accusations against Trump. Are factual. Or not.

  • Not really. The Laws that outlawed them came from the Gangster era . Tommy Guns in Movies. Back in the 30s one could purchase anything one wanted, there were no mass murders except between criminals. There has never been a "Mass Shooting"that killed innocents and used fully Auto weapons that I am aware of. (Bump Stocks don't count) Just another "Feel Good" Law enacted by Politicos who wanted to show how much they were doing.

    That's stupid.


    You just said yourself that full auto weapons aren't being used... because they're not widely available due to byzantine government regulations. AKA 'gun control'.


    The era in which said laws were passed and the reasons for those laws at the time have no bearing on these FACTS.


    But you do bring up an interesting and corroborating point: we don't see many gang shootings these days involving full auto weapons. Isn't this a case of gun control working *precisely* as intended?

  • No. 3D printing has made this arms control attempt impossible. If you plan ahead enough to wear ear plugs to your mass murder, you can print a high cap. You can print lowers too, and they're getting a lot better over time.

    How many mass shootings have involved 3D printed guns? :blowme

  • *IF* ownership of semi-auto guns with high capacity magazines was restricted similarly to how full auto weapons are restricted, *then* would that not similarly reduce their use in mass shootings and other crimes?


    Are you capable of answering that narrow question? Or can you just not help muddying the waters?

    I'm going to answer it in the same exact way you would if you were on this side of the question.


    It's a moot point because it will never happen. And even in the worst scenario were .gov decides to try to go door to door it would probably set off civil war 2.


    Now say what I posted about this morning in the random thread ends up being true. That person scares the shit out of me more than an idiot with a gun. 5-6 ied's (military grade) in the hands of someone who has possibly had training, that's bad news. Possible big body count, way more than a shooter.

    MNN on 6/18/19

    "chump will assuredly lose 2020 barring an event that cancels the election - he just cant keep his scummy yankee mouth shut"


    MNN on 6/24/19

    Chump is going to tote an ass kicking nov 2020


    MNN on 11/14/19

    fact is it is within a year of the election, the Senate will not allow him to appoint her successor. Nov 2020 he will lose.

  • Up till 1986 you could buy a brand new full auto off the shelf. I know in the late 70's you could have it shipped to your door. So they were very widely available then, why weren't they used more?

    MNN on 6/18/19

    "chump will assuredly lose 2020 barring an event that cancels the election - he just cant keep his scummy yankee mouth shut"


    MNN on 6/24/19

    Chump is going to tote an ass kicking nov 2020


    MNN on 11/14/19

    fact is it is within a year of the election, the Senate will not allow him to appoint her successor. Nov 2020 he will lose.

  • I'm going to answer it in the same exact way you would if you were on this side of the question.


    It's a moot point because it will never happen. And even in the worst scenario were .gov decides to try to go door to door it would probably set off civil war 2.


    Now say what I posted about this morning in the random thread ends up being true. That person scares the shit out of me more than an idiot with a gun. 5-6 ied's (military grade) in the hands of someone who has possibly had training, that's bad news. Possible big body count, way more than a shooter.

    That's a good answer. I like it.


    But humor me here... are you capable of giving a straight answer to my question? Or does it hurt your little teabilly soul to give a truthful and straightforward answer?


  • No, YOU missed the point. Full Auto weapons were widely available, yet no shootings on innocents happened.



    Why?



    What's different between then and now?

  • That's a good answer. I like it.


    But humor me here... are you capable of giving a straight answer to my question? Or does it hurt your little teabilly soul to give a truthful and straightforward answer?

    I thought you would.


    But the answer is probably not. Maybe if it was instituted long before there was a gun in most homes maybe. But then remember that cities that have the strictest gun laws have the most gun deaths. Now most are not considered "mass" shootings but those numbers far outpace "mass" shootings.

    Mass shooting are sensationalized so that the left can push their gun agenda. Why is it that 5, 10, 20 shooting deaths at once are spotlighted of 2-3,000 death a year in Shitcongo?

    MNN on 6/18/19

    "chump will assuredly lose 2020 barring an event that cancels the election - he just cant keep his scummy yankee mouth shut"


    MNN on 6/24/19

    Chump is going to tote an ass kicking nov 2020


    MNN on 11/14/19

    fact is it is within a year of the election, the Senate will not allow him to appoint her successor. Nov 2020 he will lose.

  • I thought you would.


    But the answer is probably not. Maybe if it was instituted long before there was a gun in most homes maybe. But then remember that cities that have the strictest gun laws have the most gun deaths. Now most are not considered "mass" shootings but those numbers far outpace "mass" shootings.

    Mass shooting are sensationalized so that the left can push their gun agenda. Why is it that 5, 10, 20 shooting deaths at once are spotlighted of 2-3,000 death a year in Shitcongo?

    You're still not answering the question. It's interesting to zee how powerful your indoctrination here is.


    You're saying that semi-auto guns can't be effectively restricted... which is not a point that I'm disputing.


    I'm asking *if* semi-auto assault rifles were (magically?) restricted similarly to how we restrict full-auto assault rifles... *then* would we see their use in mass shootings and other crimes be reduced similarly to what we've seen with full auto weapons.


    My question isn't hard to understand. Why can't you answer it? :biggrin

  • It's a reasonable question... but with little bearing on my reasonable though rather narrow and specific question.


    I see you haven't bothered to answer it either :dunno

  • If by the magic of baby Jeezus that was to happen. Then yes the numbers probably would probably reduce similarly.


    But the numbers of other weapons used would go up.


    There, you own me a straight answer sometime. Mark it down...

    MNN on 6/18/19

    "chump will assuredly lose 2020 barring an event that cancels the election - he just cant keep his scummy yankee mouth shut"


    MNN on 6/24/19

    Chump is going to tote an ass kicking nov 2020


    MNN on 11/14/19

    fact is it is within a year of the election, the Senate will not allow him to appoint her successor. Nov 2020 he will lose.