The infamous VOSS story.

  • Thought to bring this great story up again. How many ppl bought into VOSS story? Most importantly, how much money did he get out of AH community?




    This is from a close associate who was part of the Voss scam called 'TAS' .. and aye, Maverick .. he probably took the name of the squadron, but the scam was not done by the squad ...it was perpetrated by Voss.

    > How much money did he get from who?

    Before I answer your question, I'll put my cards face up on the table, just so you know where I'm coming from.

    Back when Paul "Voss" Hinds began his Scam I had already been playing AW for several years. Voss was a member of an Air Warrior Squadron called the 13th TAS, a Squad that has since had links with other online flight sim's and is also currently running in Aces High.

    I only mention that because TAS was the name of the new online game at the centre of the scam, and it is important to point out that they were in no way connected with it, as far as I know the other members of the Squad are all honourable men.

    Also, I've never written any of this down before, so by way of disclaimer, I will say that I'm working entirely from memory, but this is in any case how I remember those events as they occurred.

    I was one of the beta testers for TAS and although I was one of the lucky ones, the scam cost me money, and wasted a great deal of my time. Also, let's not forget that at the time this was the biggest, longest and most outrageous scam ever to hit the flight sim' community! Now you know where I'm coming from, I'll answer your question.

    The person who lost the most was the main investor, Michael "Amok" Hobuss, who I believe was one of Voss's AW Squad mates. From my perspective as one of the beta testers, the deal appeared to be that Voss did all the programming and design while Amok covered the expenses and development

    costs, including having a new powerful development machine delivered to Voss, setting up and maintaining the beta team, bulletin board, and all advertising and promotional costs.

    Now before we go any farther, let's just look at that set-up. Voss had built credibility by claiming to have two doctorates, and vast relevant experience, he was not just exaggerating, he was deliberately giving false information to a squad mate, in order to

    encourage him into parting with money and equipment for services he knew that he could not deliver.

    He was never in the CIA, was never an F-16 pilot and he did not shoot down two enemy aircraft has he claimed, he did not own

    a P-51, and has probably never even flown one, and he did not have two PhDs.

    He fabricated that entire web of lies with the obvious motivation of securing investment for his own personal gain.

    This scam lasted a long time, and was fed with screen shots that looked magnificent, but which were in fact only artwork, and the delays were blamed on all manner of incredible circumstances, a scorpion bite, brain tumour, even some mention of special missions with the CIA.

    During that time a large number of people were involved on the beta site, and I was one of them. I've heard that some of the beta testers were also asked for front money, but I can't recall being asked, but I do remember that I didn't send money. So I can't confirm that.

    The scam dragged on so long that someone eventually checked into his background, and his military service was the first thing to come under scrutiny.

    When it transpired that he had not been an F-16 pilot in the

    USAF, he invented the CIA story to explain why his name didn't appear in military records, but the wall was beginning to crumble.

    As more of his lies were exposed, Michael Hobuss became suspicious, but no doubt found it very hard to believe that a squad mate would lie and steal from him, so at that point he was actually covering for him.

    Then things began to move quickly, because his stories were stretching credibility to the limit. I know how long you need to remain in education to get a PhD, not to mention two! Computer skills that exceeded those of the best programmers of the day, USAF training, a flying career, converting to F-16s, recruitment by the CIA, a privately owned P-51, and this man appeared to have achieved more than most could manage in two life times.

    Everyone was suspicious and people were asking awkward questions. Michael Hobuss was also getting nervous and began asking awkward questions too, and that's when Voss disappeared. The Scorpion bite! It was reported that Folk

    even visited Voss in hospital, so perhaps that part was true, but it just went down hill from there.

    Time dragged on, and after more revelations, and no further evidence that the game even existed, Voss was supposed to have a brain tumour resulting in the end of the game's development, but then Michael Hobuss blew the whistle!

    He admitted he had been conned, and lost his hardware, the

    expenses and development costs, and that there never was any game. Any beta testers who had fronted money to the project had lost it. I had spent a lot of time logging onto the beta test site and incurred telephone costs and wasted many hours of my own time, but I was one of the lucky ones!

    How much did Michael Hobuss eventually lose, I can't say, but I'd guess the figure must have been at least several thousand, and to be fair I heard that he was able to recover some of it. I'm not even sure how much I lost, I certainly wasn't bothered about it because it would have only been a fraction of what I was spending on AW at that time

    This was a classic con! He fooled an investor, into parting with money and goods, by pretending to be something he wasn't.

    The scam involved a large number of people, and left the community shaken, not because they had been taken in by a conman, but because they had been taken by one of their own,

    some one many believed to be a squad mate and a friend.

    For many it wasn't so much the money as the betrayal, that hurt that most.

    Now I guess that all this could be forgotten if Voss had gone away, but he is still here, and he is attempting to rebuild his stock in the community.

    Only recently he put out a call to the Aces High community to become involved in another project, that appeared to have all the hallmarks of another scam.

    I was amazed when I saw it, and I thought to myself, "Here we

    go again". Make no mistake, given the opportunity I believe he would do it again, it even looks very much as though he has actually tried already.

    But fortunately, nobody took the bait. They never took the bait thanks to the efforts of those who remember, nobody has been allowed to forget.

    The community has successfully protected itself by not allowing others to be taken in. That in my humble opinion is the morally correct, right and proper, thing to do.

    When I see folk rehash the Voss stuff (as you call it) I'm always pleased to see it, because everytime it comes out I think that perhaps another few individuals have been made wise to him.

    It also saddens me to see others defend him, because they are only helping him build a platform from which to strike again.

    I haven't been able to give you exact figures, but does that answer your question?

    Badz


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  • I think I came aboard too late to know him directly, but soon enough to know the stories still stung.


    For years, I saw people accusing players of being a Voss shade.


    I wonder how miserable of a person you have to be to knowingly cheat people.

  • I think I came aboard too late to know him directly, but soon enough to know the stories still stung.


    For years, I saw people accusing players of being a Voss shade.


    I wonder how miserable of a person you have to be to knowingly cheat people.

    Ask Diane Feinstein, she's cheated millions of Californians.

  • VOSS didn't scam anyone from AH, wrong game.

    I heard bits of the story and what I posted is the first time I read it. I knew he came from AW but I thought he started this scamming on AH.

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    If people do not display wisdom, they will crash like blind moles and then mutual annihilation will commence.


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    Stalin: "We will drown them in our own blood!"

    Jong-un: "We will drown us in our own blood!"


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  • He did post some screen shots of his "game" and Hitech busted him for using elements from AH in the shots.

    Nope. VOSS threatened to sue Hitech and call in the FBI for supposedly stealing assets from him.

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  • I thought his game was Spitfires over something...........

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  • Nope. VOSS threatened to sue Hitech and call in the FBI for supposedly stealing assets from him.

    that’s new.

    2020, America's New Civil War.


    If people do not display wisdom, they will crash like blind moles and then mutual annihilation will commence.


    Hitler: "We will drown them in their own blood!"
    Stalin: "We will drown them in our own blood!"

    Jong-un: "We will drown us in our own blood!"


    Senator Elizabeth Warren, winner of the 2018 Rachel Dolezal Award.


    Dems: "Tell us the truth"
    Barr: "There was spying"
    Dems:"NOT THAT TRUTH"

  • This was pre-AH... in ~95 or 96, I believe. It was still HiTech, but back in the Warbirds days. He'd get into several arguments about graphics detailing, lighting and flight models... claiming he could do it all better. I don't know if he was targeting the WB crowd or the AW crowd, but it occurred while both were going. A lot of the AW crowd had already moved to the free WB (beta) at that time.


    I still cannot recall anyone but AMOK losing any money on this.


    He did try to start something up again in AH and was soundly silenced and driven from the 13th TAS and the game. The real irony came when he would start lecturing on honorable behavior.

  • band?

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    :this

  • I thought you said someone got band.

    Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. — C.S. Lewis

    :this

  • I do remember Voss posting pictures on the aces high Forum of a screenshot and it was from Aces High but he was trying to pass it off as his developing game. Hitech ask him why he was using a screenshot from the development of Aces High

    those screenshot he posted were the renders he claimed were in game screenshot from his game TAS. Those screenshots were the ones he posted originally during his scam and were made long before AH was developed. Hitech was working on the first generation of WB at the time.

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  • who was the guy that was ripping people off with his computer builds? Remember him? I think his handle starting with a T?

    Then there was the other guy who made the coffee mugs or something for one of the conventions in Aces High and then he threw a fucking fit when Hi-Tech decided not to use him again the next year for his Hatcher some bullshit. So funny. Lol

    Forgot the handle but the guy doing the scam with PC builds ended up going to jail and then tried to scam people through Go Fund Me. There was also a father/son scam team from AW, Ken Sr and Ken Jr about a B17 they supposedly owned and operated. They were set to scam players during the '98 AW Convention but got found out a few day before the conv3ntion started.

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  • the memories of these assholes are flooding in now. Remember Rolex? What a prick that guy is. And he had that shitty ass music that he made and thought it was so great. LOL

    What did Rolex do?




    Forgot the handle but the guy doing the scam with PC builds ended up going to jail and then tried to scam people through Go Fund Me. There was also a father/son scam team from AW, Ken Sr and Ken Jr about a B17 they supposedly owned and operated. They were set to scam players during the '98 AW Convention but got found out a few day before the conv3ntion started.

    What did they tried to scam ppl of priori to the convention?

    2020, America's New Civil War.


    If people do not display wisdom, they will crash like blind moles and then mutual annihilation will commence.


    Hitler: "We will drown them in their own blood!"
    Stalin: "We will drown them in our own blood!"

    Jong-un: "We will drown us in our own blood!"


    Senator Elizabeth Warren, winner of the 2018 Rachel Dolezal Award.


    Dems: "Tell us the truth"
    Barr: "There was spying"
    Dems:"NOT THAT TRUTH"

  • scam team from AW, Ken Sr and Ken Jr about a B17 they supposedly owned and operated.

    Ah yes, the great "What is the tail number Ken?"

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