Are We Lucky?

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If you believe you are the product of the correct amino acids, temperature, atmospheric content and a spark you simply don't understand the mathematical probabilities.

I admire your faith though.

Okay, so how were you created then? You don’t know, but it’s super complicated , so Jew god. You see grass pushing up through any crack in the pavement, or a tree growing on a rock face where a handful of dirt collected and still don’t see. Life is persistent. It happens any time it can.

Creating a species that has to kill other life to survive is stupid and cruel. You’re god, you can pick any system you like. You can make a thing survive on O2 alone if you want. But no, I think I’ll design lions to slowly and painfully eat the guts out of the zebra until it dies. I’ll design scarcity so living things starve on the plains and the mother has to move on without her baby. Your Jew good is a demon. Which makes sense considering his chosen people.

Why so needy? You need to be special. You need an invisible force to care about you. I don’t get why you need this. I can’t relate.

You don’t know that. And the evidence suggests there’s plenty of time and that it’s already happened. Because a thing is hard to imagine for you doesn’t make it impossible.

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It is a mathematical impossibility.

Who are you to say? A lot of people who are in a better position to say vigorously disagree with you. I won’t even refer to them. Life is obviously and visibly persistent. So there’s no reason to make up fairy tales. No space being cares about you dude. You just are, like everything else.

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I can talk shit, well type shit on the Internet, from the comfort of Casa Del Slam, with a bowl of cornchips and shit. It's a hell of an end-state for evolution woo woo.

I think we can evolve past a bowl of corn chips and shit.

No matter can be created or destroyed. All existing life must come from pre-existing organisms or cells. Were these not absolute truths, we would have witnessed it countless times in our recorded history, or would have had some form of evidence in our fossil records. We should have been able to reproduce it in a laboratory long by now.

This suggests (to a unarguable certainty) that there is a supreme entity at work that created all matter and life in the Universe by supernatural means.

Something created all the matter in the Universe, and something placed life here on earth. You can make up fables and specific religions on the details of HOW this happened, but it is conjecture. What cannot be denied was something supernatural made it all happen.

There is a "God", but we don't really understand what God is.

E=Mc^2

If I convert matter to energy and then disperse the energy, is the matter destroyed?

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There is a "God", but we don't really understand what God is.

Maybe there are five gods. Or .235 of them. Or a billion things that aren't exactly gods. How the fuck would you know?

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No matter can be created or destroyed. All existing life must come from pre-existing organisms or cells. Were these not absolute truths, we would have witnessed it countless times in our recorded history, or would have had some form of evidence in our fossil records. We should have been able to reproduce it in a laboratory long by now.

This suggests (to a unarguable certainty) that there is a supreme entity at work that created all matter and life in the Universe by supernatural means.

Something created all the matter in the Universe, and something placed life here on earth. You can make up fables and specific religions on the details of HOW this happened, but it is conjecture. What cannot be denied was something supernatural made it all happen.

There is a "God", but we don't really understand what God is.

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So you lean on science one minute, then magic the next. Understand - all we know about is the physics in our universe. It could have easily come from somewhere else. If you look at a black hole, it a striking and unthinkable amount of mass in a point so small it is only mathematically defined. It would be smaller than a grain of sand but weigh more than many suns. What does that sound like to you? A lot like the singularity the same science you are quoting says we emerged from. So this process could be repeating nonstop. The science we know stops making sense in a black hole. So slow your roll there with all of that, it proves nothing.

Our recorded history is about 3 thousand years dude. I don't think you can get your mind around the absolute scale of all this. That's not how it happens, shit doesn't just pop into existence suddenly, and neither did we. That's not what the big bang theory or evolution suggest, that's a gross simplification. The essential proteins and acids life starts from are already part of a chain now. That means they are dedicated to other purposes as often as they are created, not sitting around in a soup or whatever.

And if not through the means described, then god? That's your conclusion? No 3rd way? Or 4th? or infinitely more? When anything reaches the limits of our ability to understand, you just draw the god card! It's comical. How about just knowing what you can know and leaving what you don't know as an open question. It's far more reasonable. In our recorded history we have also never seen a god create anything either. Or even seen a god period, the whole idea is fanciful, so by your own logic you should reject that idea as well. Just 'not know' a thing, don't be so hellbent on filling in the blanks.

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It is not. It is changed (or altered)

But it has been changed into energy and we have been able to do that, but reversing the process has not been achieved.

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The creator(s) and the science aren't mutually exclusive and may be mutually beneficial.

Again, of all the possible explanations, why even involve a creator? You've never seen a creator or anything created, why is it your go-to next choice? Because you associate life with will? You'd have to be outside of life to see will as anything but a biological product. Your thought experiment should be from outside of the system, not within it.