Vp's can't even declassify.... So any VP who stole docs should go to prison. Including Pence.

lazs

Have they found any Top Secret documents anywhere else other than in Trumps possession so far? That was what the concern was. Original High level Top Secret documents. I don't think there was much concern for the classified ones so much as the TOP SECRET ones.

Trump, Biden, and now Pence. All have been caught with classified documents outside of proper security controls.

This double standard for the ruling class is utter bullshit. Why do they get so much leeway while these 10 year long investigations are carried out? Why are they deserving of the due process us regular folks don't enjoy in matters like this?

Had I been caught with just one document at my house, marked even as low as "confidential" , I would have been in custody right away and stayed that way until trial. I'd also probably still be serving time for it.

Point is... Trump could say what was and was not classified... Pence can not. Biden could not and certainly hitlery could not.

lazs

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Point is... Trump could say what was and was not classified... Pence can not. Biden could not and certainly hitlery could not.

lazs

No, it wasn't that he could say it because he didn't say it. Trump said he just had to THINK IT for it to be declassified.

if Trump declassified documents, there would be a record of it. He can't just say "I declassified that" and he certainly can't declassify things after leaving office.

If there are no rules for him to declassify? then why is thinking about it not enough? I bet neither of you know the rules.

Cause.......................... there are no rules.

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If there are no rules for him to declassify? then why is thinking about it not enough? I bet neither of you know the rules.

Cause.......................... there are no rules.

lazs

I know the rules for handling classified documents. Was a huge part of my job. So unless there is a something in writing that says shitbag ruling elites don't have to follow the same rules, then they should be held to account just the same as some E-1 that accidentally mishandles classified materials.

They all should hang for it. Bullshit "it was declassified" whines or not. Or at least be in custody until the shit is figured out like anyone else caught under the same circumstances would be.

There is nothing that says they do not. simple as that. You were not POTUS He is not 'everyone else'

lazs

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There is nothing that says they do not. simple as that. You were not POTUS He is not 'everyone else'

lazs

The fact that you defend this shit just tells me that you don't care what the Oligarchs that run this place do as long as you like them.

The ruling class is not exempt (at least on paper) from the rule of law.

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There is nothing that says they do not. simple as that. You were not POTUS He is not 'everyone else'

lazs

Potato, so potato. Simple as that.

Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify

More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal…

www.americanbar.org

The system of classifying national security documents is largely a bureaucratic process used by the federal government to control how executive branch officials handle information, whose release could cause the country harm. The government has, however, prosecuted cases for both mistaken and deliberate mishandling of information. Under the U.S. Constitution, the president as commander in chief is given broad powers to classify and declassify such information, often through use of executive orders.

Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.

In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.

I 'defend this shit' for a reason. I do not give a shit what documents or how.. a POTUS declassifies. It is what he does with em that matters to me.

One man vs all the others that think they should have the same powers as a POTUS? What are you thinking? Biden center paid for by chinks? MAYBE a tad different?

lazs

American Bar Ass? Seriously?

lazs

Your posts don't follow any logic sometimes Lazs. Sometimes they are brilliant, but other times I wonder if you really believe what you post as they don't follow any logic at all. I wonder if you have a little Brain fog from the Covid maybe.

There's legal precedent on this issue

Hell, there are literally 3 court cases during Trump's presidency where the courts ruled that unless there is a formal declaration for declassification, declassification has not occurred. So the argument that there are no rules for it s a bit silly. The idea that he could declassify just by thinking about it is preposterous.

Biggest concern with this shitshow, how did Biden get his hands on classified documents as a senator?

Pence asked his own people to look thru his stuff for anything that shouldn't be there.

He seems to be one of the most honest politicians out there, although that is a pretty low bar.

That would be the most likely scenario for him