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Actually I have argued here and elsewhere that were I Russian I would be uncomfortable with NATO in Ukraine.

Yet here we are in North America with the illegitimate regime selling vast tracts of land to the filthy chinks.

There is only one solution.

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Actually I have argued here and elsewhere that were I Russian I would be uncomfortable with NATO in Ukraine.

Yet here we are in North America with the illegitimate regime selling vast tracts of land to the filthy chinks.

There is only one solution.

Some key details. Russia and everyone else knew there was zero percent chance that UA was going to join NATO anytime in the foreseeable future. So saying OMG we need to invade right now to avoid them joining NATO is as false as OMG Nazis! It's not a legitmate reason to invade your neighbor and the excuse was nothing more than an excuse for idiots.

Just the same. The equivalent of ssssh I only want to feel your warmth. Just the head. Just a little bit.

I'm was good negotiating those types of events.

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Just the same. The equivalent of ssssh I only want to feel your warmth. Just the head. Just a little bit.

You are getting mrfish excited again.

Can we be in agreement that UA joining NATO wasn't going to happen and everyone knew that?

Ergo, the whole argument that UA needed to be be invaded at that time because it was about to join NATO is observably false.

I think the Jookranians being flirty with NATO serves them well. I don't think we should be in NATO but Jookraine certainly would benefit.

I don't know why they wouldn't so long as America is potent. That they don't might be an unspoken comment to that.

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I think the Jookranians being flirty with NATO serves them well. I don't think we should be in NATO but Jookrain certainly would benefit.

I don't know why they wouldn't so long as America is potent. That they don't might be an unspoken comment to that.

Can we be in agreement that UA joining NATO wasn't going to happen and everyone knew that?

Ergo, the whole argument that UA needed to be be invaded at that time because it was about to join NATO is observably false.

What Putin hoped to accomplish was to reform the former alliances. The Ukrainian and the Rus are traditionally enemies. Ukraine has played her hand well. The Joo at the helm is an inspired and brilliant leader.

So copy and pasting the same question a 3rd time isn't going to get you to admit the point?

That is the reality of analyzing information. You take words and actions and compare them to known facts and reality. The reality in this case is there was no chance whatsoever that UA would become a member of NATO anytime in the foreseeable future. Thus the entire line of justification is a deliberate lie not meant for serious conversation.

Causus belli. In place since before the Roman Republic.

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Causus belli. In place since before the Roman Republic.

Also true. If you want I can run through some of the many reasons why pretty much everyone who is serious agrees that UA had pretty much zero percent chance of joining NATO before the the 2022 invasion. As you may know, the aspiring country does not simply fill out a form and send a check. All NATO members must agree to the country joining and there was no chance of that.

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What does it have to do with a fact that US capital owned German military industry,

You out and out gave money to Hitler so he could attack you.

You fought on his side in Poland

You attacked Ukraine for no good reason

Jugashvili was reportedly so depressed after Hitler attacked the USSR that he was in a catatonic state for about two weeks.

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I have to say again: I am not sure who killed Poles in Katyn, while obvious evidence (German ropes and bullets) says it were your fellow-nazis.

Your serial NKVD murdurer used germans gun because they had less recoil and less malfunction than your soviet crap.

I never thought about that angle

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Jugashvili was reportedly so depressed after Hitler attacked the USSR that he was in a catatonic state for about two weeks.

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how could Adolph do this? I thought we were friends! Sob, cry, sigh…

WWII from a German/Soviet perspective wasn't really a war of ideologies, it was a civil war between competing socialist tyrants.

The USSR didn't end Nazi Germany they took it over and allowed it to continue in the form of East Germany. Nothing changed there, they did everything the same as they did under the Nazis and they even kept the same uniforms (save for new helmets and new logos). They even kept concentration camps running. In the end, there was very little difference between Soviet Communism and German Nazism (both Socialist brothers).

As for Putin, he came up through the ranks in East Germany as a high level KGB/Stasi/Gestapo asshole. Essentially a fucking Nazi. Merkel did as well for that matter.

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