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  • I think a lot of people are going to stand before God and say "well what about so and so".


    If I had created God he would wink at my sin. I didn't and he doesn't.

  • Who knew she read this board?


    https://www.foxnews.com/politi…al-movement-consciousness

    Sotomayor compares fetus to brain dead person, says fetal movement doesn't prove consciousness

  • I can see lazs' point... or I think I can see it...


    the left got things where they are by pretty much takin baby steps...


    wanna reverse it... then use baby steps the other way???


    and...


    I understand his argument about lookin down the nose at some and sayin God requires/demands/etc...


    lot of folks will resist right out the gate... especially atheist... hard!


    and seem to recall the passage of a bill that allows the MSM to use propaganda/lies on us...


    think bama got it passed and signed it IIRC???


    they'll be all over it as well...


    think that is what he is really tryin to say???


    and I can see the sense of it...

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”


    Presbyterian Rev. Gilbert Tennant:

    “He that suffers his life to be taken from him by one who has no authority for that purpose, when he might preserve it by defense, incurs the Guilt of self murder since God has enjoined him to seek the continuance of his life, and Nature itself teaches every creature to defend itself.”

  • Time for compromise is past. They stole our government and are driving us full speed to communism. Biden is signing the UN Small Arms Treaty. Has to have 2/3 approval by the Senate and no chance of that now but still. By just signing that Biden is violating his oath of office to uphold the Constitution.

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  • If the court can mess with a woman's rights then it can also mess with your rights. That is, make you take the covid vaccine.

    Trump: “Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible.” 3:01PM Nov. 8 2013

    "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power" ~ Abe Lincoln

    tRump is the Master of the Con with 70 years of practice/experience. It is sad that so many supposedly intelligent and educated people fall for his cons.

    DJ Trump: while I support the Dems, if I ran I would run as a Republican because those people are easy to fool.


  • If the court can mess with a woman's rights then it can also mess with your rights. That is, make you take the covid vaccine.

    as has been pointed out... by at least 1 of the SCOTUS


    where does it say in the Constitution/Bill of Rights that there is a right to abortion?


    so it is not necessarily a women's rights issue... if the right never existed...

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”


    Presbyterian Rev. Gilbert Tennant:

    “He that suffers his life to be taken from him by one who has no authority for that purpose, when he might preserve it by defense, incurs the Guilt of self murder since God has enjoined him to seek the continuance of his life, and Nature itself teaches every creature to defend itself.”

  • as has been pointed out... by at least 1 of the SCOTUS


    where does it say in the Constitution/Bill of Rights that there is a right to abortion?


    so it is not necessarily a women's rights issue... if the right never existed...

    No one has found it yet.

    Backyard Commandos INC, HMFIC


    I disagree but I respect your right to be stupid.


    Winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners.


    It's hard for liberals with mental disorders to think that other people don't also have the same mental disorders. - Danneskjold 2018

  • Not sure how you can quote this verse from Mathew where Jesus is quite obviously a person separate from his father . . . and then follow it up later with "God . . . becoming Human."


    Look, if it were enough for us just to try to do right then God would not have subjected himself to becoming human, enduring temptation, and suffering a brutal murder. I wish it hadn't been necessary. Accept or reject this, I wouldn't deny you the choice if I could. Ignorance of this though is not your option.

    I suggest re-reading John 17:21-23 and ponder over what kind of Unity Jesus is praying to God about. He certainly isn't saying he and his Father are the same person.


    /endhijack

    Brauno in a previous life, followed by LTARget. E25280 on the Forum.

    SWtarget in last AH in game incarnation.

    "Proudly drawing fire so my brothers may pass unharmed."

    Brauno in World of Tanks.

    "What is, is. What was, will be. What will be, was, but will be again." - Horseshack from Welcome Back Kotter

  • Jesus said plainly that he and the father are one. And of course there is John 1:1.

    ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος


    τὸν θεόν

    vs.

    θεὸς


    "The God" with the definite article is, as far as I know, universally accepted to be referring to God, and is used in the place of God's personal name (Jehovah or Yahweh, depending on whether you would like to call the son Jesus or Yahshua. יהוה in Hebrew).


    "God" without the definite article can be interpreted in several ways, including as a descriptor or title. It may or may not refer to "The God" himself. So One possible interpretation of the last phrase is that the "Word" was "Like God" or "Godlike".


    Also of note, the word was "pros" "The God", or toward God. This implies proximity, but separate individuals, helping to clarify "God" in the last phrase being descriptive.


    "But SWTarget, you're sure parsing words"


    Not really. The Bible explains itself when taken in full context, which is why I suggested reviewing John 17:21-23 (mind you, same book, same writer, so there is no disagreement between opinions of different Bible writers)


    So, Jesus is praying (if he is God in Human form, who is he praying to?)

    " so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me."


    So if being in union with his father means they are the same person, then Jesus praying that his apostles be in union with them would make not a Trinitarian God, but a God of multitudes. He would be praying that his apostles somehow literally meld into one being. This makes no logical sense.


    Jesus says he received glory from God. If he is God, he doesn't receive it, but has it inherently. Jesus says the Father loves him. While everyone should love themselves, he is clearly not talking about loving himself, but being loved by another personage.


    Or how about John (same writer again) 14:28:

    "You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am."

    If Jesus and God are one person, then logically one cannot be greater than the other. But Jesus says it plainly.


    How about John (same writer!!) 20:17:

    Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

    Jesus again clearly refers to returning to someone, not that he is that person. He furthermore refers to his apostles as his "brothers." So while the apostles may share a future princely reward in a heavenly kingdom, and thus share a measure of equality with Jesus, they certainly do not and are not equal to God himself.


    Many other examples to point to that Jesus and God are clearly separate individuals, but it's late and I'm going to bed. I invite you to reflect on the full context. And don't misunderstand . . . recognizing Jesus' role as Messiah is clearly crucial to gaining everlasting life (John 17:3), so in no way is Jesus diminished by recognizing his status as being separate from God.

    Brauno in a previous life, followed by LTARget. E25280 on the Forum.

    SWtarget in last AH in game incarnation.

    "Proudly drawing fire so my brothers may pass unharmed."

    Brauno in World of Tanks.

    "What is, is. What was, will be. What will be, was, but will be again." - Horseshack from Welcome Back Kotter

  • Triune, not difficult to grasp.

    “Everyone should do all in his power to collect and disseminate the truth, in the hope that it may find a place in history and descend to posterity. History is not the relation of campaigns and battles and generals or other individuals, but that which shows the principles for which the South contended and which justified her struggle for those principles. ” - Robert E. Lee

  • Triune, not difficult to grasp.

    Apparently it is for some.

    Backyard Commandos INC, HMFIC


    I disagree but I respect your right to be stupid.


    Winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners.


    It's hard for liberals with mental disorders to think that other people don't also have the same mental disorders. - Danneskjold 2018

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