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They are not much fun to talk to at that point tho.

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Tell that to parents who read and talk to their unborn children.

You can't legislate morality.

Not a matter of loving or hating god. it is a matter of issues. I don't think I am overestimating how unpopular getting rid of all abortions would be.

lazs

Kind of a one sided conversation tho eh elfie?

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I am ok with people pretending to know what god thinks but... at least you seem to be acting a bit less extreme?

My point is that the person who is scrambling an 8 month old fetus brain is an extremist

My point is that the person who says that the morning after pill is murder is an extremist.

Something less extreme is where I am at.

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One of the tenets of Christianity is that the Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God. One can quote God's Word without speaking for God or claiming to know what God thinks because he has already spoken to us through the written word of the Bible.

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Kind of a one sided conversation tho eh elfie?

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It's helpful for the unborn. Sciency stuff.

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During pregnancy, your baby’s brain is developing rapidly and storing information for future use. This is one reason why it is important to eat healthy during your pregnancy. Science has shown that reading to your baby in the womb promotes brain activity and can promote early literacy skills and language development.

Oh.... I see the problem here. I am not a christian. You are confusing me with christians. I believe in god the creator. I don't pretend to speak for him tho.

And elphie.... I think we may be on the same page somewhat. I said when there is brain activity. you are saying that it the point the parents read to and talk to the fetus. Not sure many talk to the just joined egg and sperm.

Every religion thinks they got the inside track on god. One of em may. how the hell would I know?

lazs

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It's helpful for the unborn.

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Who said life begins at birth. Who says a spark of life is a human life with all the rights of a human? That is really all it boils down to.

At some point in the womb the fetus is self aware and has brain activity and can feel pain and sounds etc. At that point to me.... it becomes a person. Not a potential person. a person.

lazs

Why are you ok with destroying someone's potential?

We don't pull the plug on brain dead people unless there is no hope for recovery so brain activity probably isn't the hill you want to die on. I mean, those folks are still alive.

The hill you might want to climb is the one for a heartbeat.

Basically..... when I talk to god I know he will understand. he said stick by me and I'll be your guiding hand.

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You are confusing me with christians

No I'm not.

I'm pointing out that you are forgetting that the people you are accusing of speaking for God are simply quoting the Bible, as they should, because it's part of their faith.

Works out the same tho doesn't it? You want to lose this election? Just put some fire and brimstone snake handlers speaking for their religion at every event.

lazs

Pretty much. My god is a lot more forgiving than your god. He may just say to you..... 'where did you hear that bullshit?"

lazs

I hate the "viability" argument for abortion. It is complete nonsense and simply moral depreciation of the decision being made. The only two scientifically supportable points on the chart are conception and birth. The rest are arbitrary. It is all aborting a baby.

I'm all for letting people pretend, however. The repugnancy scale seems to go up each term. This provides some window for acceptance amongst those who would prefer to delude themselves into thinking it's OK to do this at 3 months... but not 4. This is what really matters?

Own up to the fact that it is as simple as saying that the mom's rights trump the unborn baby's rights... always. It's cruel. It's inhumane. It is taken advantage of for the most selfish of reasons. I'd rather we focus on those things and have it be legal than pretend it's none of that because the baby isn't "viable".

A seven year old isn't "viable".

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You can't legislate morality.

And yet murder and stealing are illegal.

Miniature one. The 'viability' thing is no more nonsense than the 'moment of conception one'

While I wholeheartedly agree that the repugnancy factor goes up every month of pregnancy.... which... seems logical. But you seem to be saying that all abortion is murder. I would rather we talk about what point we are killing a human being. No idea how you feel about unplugging a brain dead adult. He is not 'viable' without a zillion machines keeping him alive. Is it murder to unplug him?

I see some uncomfortable parallels in this. "unplug" the brain dead fetus from the mom and what happens? There is even the mercy thing. While some really deformed children or even incest babies have led decent or even great lives? not the norm..... Still... I am not advocating late term abortions over possible birth defects.

I am saying that until their is brain wave activity or a heartbeat or whatever (lets draw the line) Well... no harm no foul.

I somehow can not think of the morning after pill as murder of a constitutionally protected 'people'

lazs