How Convenient

  • The Iranian developed drone is pretty much a rip off of the Rutan VariEze

    I imagine they'd pack quite a punch when loaded with HE and flown at low level they'd be pretty hard to intercept

    Absinthe makes the tart grow fonder.


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  • https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15…tack-iran-iraq/index.html


    Trump says US 'locked and loaded depending on verification' of attack on Saudi oil field

    By Paul LeBlanc, Kylie Atwood, Jeremy Diamond and Sarah Westwood, CNN

    Updated 7:56 PM ET, Sun September 15, 2019

    Satellite images show targets hit in oil attack, US says



    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Sunday evening tweeted that the US has "reason to believe that we know" who is responsible for an attack on a Saudi Arabian oil field and the country is "locked and loaded depending on verification" following the crippling strike.

    "Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!" Trump said.
    On Saturday, coordinated strikes on key Saudi Arabian oil facilities -- among the world's largest energy production centers -- disrupted 5% of the daily global oil supply. Yemen's Houthi rebels took responsibility for the attacks, but they are often backed by Iran.
    Oil prices surge and Trump says he has ordered use of emergency supplies

    Oil prices surge and Trump says he has ordered use of emergency supplies

    A day after Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blamed Iran for the attack on Saudi oil facilities and argued there is "no evidence the attacks came from Yemen," a senior administration official briefed CNN on information to back up Pompeo's claims.

    Trump tweeted later Sunday that it is "incorrect" to say he is "willing to meet with Iran, 'No Condition,'" a contradiction of his own administration. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Thursday that the President, "has said he would sit down with (Iranian President Hassan) Rouhani with no conditions."

    Points of impact

    The official pointed to the angle at which Saudi oil facilities were attacked, the numbers of points of impact and other information to argue that it is unlikely the attacks were carried out by Yemen. Instead, the official suggested the attack most likely originated in Iran or Iraq.
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    "It is very difficult to see how these things could have come from anywhere but Iran or Iraq," the senior administration official said.
    The official said 19 Saudi targets were struck in Saturday's attack and argued that such an attack could not be carried out with 10 drones, which the Houthis claimed to have used.
    "You can't hit 19 targets with 10 drones like that," the official said.
    The official, drawing on commercial satellite imagery shared with CNN, also noted that "all the points of impact on Saudi facilities were on the northwest side of them, which is somewhat difficult to do from Yemen." The official could not say whether it's possible drones from Yemen could have angled around to attack northwest facilities.
    Saudi attack likely originated in Iran or Iraq, senior administration official says

    Saudi attack likely originated in Iran or Iraq, senior administration official says

    The official, drawing on commercial satellite imagery shared with CNN, also noted that "all the points of impact on Saudi facilities were on the northwest side of them, which is somewhat difficult to do from Yemen." The official could not say whether it's possible drones from Yemen could have angled around to attack northwest facilities.

    Military experts examine commercial satellite images

    Three CNN military experts have examined the private satellite photos.
    Ret. Col. Cedric Leighton, who is an intelligence expert with a focus in imagery, said the images do help support the Trump administration's claim that the drones likely came from Iraq or Iran, but cautioned that they're not definitive.
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    "This is the handiwork of a sophisticated (most likely State) actor. The precise nature of the intelligence used to conduct targeting, the mission planning that went into this to avoid radar detection, as well as the selection of the targets shows a robust capability that would most likely be the work of a government or government-sponsored group," Leighton told CNN Sunday.
    "The drones most likely originated in either Southern Iraq or Iran," he said.
    Attack on Saudi oil field a game-changer in Gulf confrontation

    Attack on Saudi oil field a game-changer in Gulf confrontation

    Ret. Gen. Mark Hertling said the images "really don't show anything, other than pretty good accuracy on the strike of the oil tanks. Ret. Adm. John Kirby echoed this point, stating "there is nothing I see in these pictures which confirms a launch from any particular location."
    "I'm struck by the precision of the strikes. Almost pin-prick," Kirby said. "Certainly possible with (unmanned aerial vehicles). But again, that doesn't really confirm anything."

    Iran's response

    Rouhani did not specifically reference the attack on the Saudi Arabia's oil facilities in an address on Iran's Press TV Sunday but did accuse Americans of running a "war operation" by "supporting the UAE and Saudi Arabia, transferring weapons, and providing intelligence."
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    "What is happening in this region today has created concern among majority of world countries," he said.

    Earlier Sunday White House senior counselor Kellyanne Conway said Trump has "many options on the table" when it comes to responding to the strike on Saudi Arabia's oil production this weekend.
    "The President will always consider his options," Conway said on "Fox News Sunday" when asked if Trump would still sit down with Rouhani under current circumstances. "We've never committed to that meeting at the United Nations General Assembly. The President's just said he's looking at it."

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    Take the gunz first.

    Go thru due process second.

  • If the Obama crowd had its way...and Hillary (or pretty much ANY of the 2016 republicans) had been elected, fracking would have ceased, offshore drilling would have ceased, ALaska drilling would have....(go ahead and guess). We'd STILL be getting the vast majority of our oil from Saudi, and gas would have jumped a dollar a gallon in the last couple days

  • And the Saudis can defend themselves.

    They've got the money and equipment to take care of Iran.

    The USA doesn't need to hold their hand.

    Watch for a joint strike between Israel and Saud. Israel will strike them. First, and then Saudis will follow through with a finishing blow.

    Iran would win a war against Saudi Arabia if war breaks out. The Saudi's can't manage to beat the Houthi rebels in Yemen and are relying on the US or other Western countries come to their aid if war breaks out.

    “Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official.”

  • Iran would win a war against Saudi Arabia if war breaks out. The Saudi's can't manage to beat the Houthi rebels in Yemen and are relying on the US or other Western countries come to their aid if war breaks out.

    Iran could not defeat Iraq after 8 years of trying. Russia would support Iran in a war with Saudi Arabia and there are too many other countries interested to let that happen unopposed.

  • Now this might be tinfoil hat territory here, but anyone else wonder if there's any connection between the Iranians striking Saudi oil assets, the conseques of a perceived oil shortage on US futures market, and the ex-0bama admin staff who are "advising" Iran on foreign policy?

    I mean.. an oil crisis and high gas prices in the year leading up to the election couldn't possibly hurt Trumps chances right?

    Absinthe makes the tart grow fonder.


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  • Houthis are claiming responsibility.. But over 20 cruise missiles and 40 drones were allegedly launched

    No way Houthis could feild that kind of firepower single handedly.

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  • I keep coming back to why the Houthis so quickly took responsibility.


    If indeed the Houthis did launch those attacks, they certainly got the weapons from Iran.

    As yet unnamed sources (ie probably bullshit) say that the missile came from Iran and not Yemen.

    However both drones and cruise missiles don't necessarily come in from the direction they're launched from.

    Absinthe makes the tart grow fonder.


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  • Ever since Trump made us energy independent this is all a big yawn to me. It's sorta like some buggy whip factory somewhere got bombed to me.


    Bj is right tho... the demoncrats want to stop all fracking... all new oil exploration.... all new pipelines. We would be right back to being embroiled in this shit.


    There is the possibility that Trump will do just what many are saying here.... a nice surgical strike that destroys vital areas of Iran without too many deaths.... sit back and say... "How did you like that shit fucker?"


    lazs

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