30 years ago today...

  • Basic training has a way of weeding out the unsuitable most times....

    Those that can't or won't should do some community based work to at least build skills.

    Absinthe makes the tart grow fonder.


    Celebrating those happy times when the penis is an internal organ.

  • Plus it's not a great idea for the military to have people who are forced to join. Malcontents (as I would be) are not going to want to be there. I would be pissed as hell and not want to do a damn thing anyone told me to do.


    Then you would go to jail and it would stay on your record for the rest of your life. A felony.


    A few people choose that option. Some want to serve. Most just make the best of it. A very few kill themselves. In my unit there was a 2% suicide rate. All in all the military is good at building camaraderie. Most conscripts consider their service to be a positive experience.

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • Then you would go to jail and it would stay on your record for the rest of your life. A felony.


    A few people choose that option. Some want to serve. Most just make the best of it. A very few kill themselves. In my unit there was a 2% suicide rate. All in all the military is good at building camaraderie. Most conscripts consider their service to be a positive experience.

    no, I think most people would comply and just be fuck-ups. Not good for the military. I picture a guy like Airhead. No offense, but I picture his service as just kind of getting by and scamming whatever he could. Lots of guys like that in Vietnam.

  • Yeah? Some made it to fleet. By 1975 in USN the weeding out process was left to the discretion of jr petty officers.


    By the time I separated there were faggots commanding destroyers and running interference for enlisted faggots.


    The USN was a faggot haven by the 1980s.


    Thanks leftists.

  • Conscription is most definitely fascist.

    No. Statist maybe.

    Fascist comes from the latin "fasces" which is a bundle of sticks. The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break.


    Fascist forgoes the individual in favor of the state, much like communism. They are just different flavors of statism.

  • The mandatory service thing seems to work well for the Swiss and the Israelis.

    Coercive collective action in the name of the greater good not only is immoral—who decides who has the gun?—it also is destructive of human happiness and ruinous of human potential.

  • The 2nd calls for a well regulated militia. The militia was never a professional army. Do we have anything like that today? No.


    You don't want a couple years full time mandatory service then incorporate some arms and military training into highschool.

  • Oh? would you like to live in switzerland? seriously... how does having soldier/citizens make their politics better? And Israel? seriously? they probly don't even need it... they get plenty of people wanting in.


    No.... I have not seen any of these so called citizen/soldier bennies everyone touts. It is a socialist idea and it promotes an even greater socialist society where it is tried.


    Our military is turning out socialists right now.....


    And what exactly are we preparing for? a landing on our coasts and an invasion?


    lazs

    "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."



    Pancho Villa, last words (1877 - 1923)

  • We should have stayed vigilant against aggressors for there is no lack of them in the world. We have become less and less so. If the Democrats had their way the last 50 years we would be a completely unarmed society and our military would be a hollow shell. They haven't given up and have obviously gained ground. China, among others, is watching.

  • I think it would be very difficult to get arms training in high schools on a federal level today. I am not sure the arms training in the military is all that great tho either.


    lazs

    "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."



    Pancho Villa, last words (1877 - 1923)

  • Come on Lazs...have you BEEN to Switzerland? I have. I'd live there in a heartbeat. It's been 200 years since the Swiss have had to fight a war of any kind. No one invades Switzerland because the cost would be prohibitive. Full mobilization makes the cost for the aggressor prohibitive. And domestic crime is practically nil.


    Israel has mandatory service for every male AND female. That may be the only thing, other than divine intervention, that allows them to come out on top, time and again, against arab invasions.

    Coercive collective action in the name of the greater good not only is immoral—who decides who has the gun?—it also is destructive of human happiness and ruinous of human potential.

  • Our country's theme ought to be "A rifle behind every blade of grass".

    Coercive collective action in the name of the greater good not only is immoral—who decides who has the gun?—it also is destructive of human happiness and ruinous of human potential.

  • Fascist comes from the latin "fasces" which is a bundle of sticks. The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break.


    Fascist forgoes the individual in favor of the state, much like communism. They are just different flavors of statism.


    Yes that is essentially right. Fascist, as in the political movement comes from Fasci italiani di combattimento. The Italian political party for WWI veterans. Both Hitler and Mussolini were disgruntled war vets.


    Yes fascism is a form of statism. Corporatism actually. However, having a conscript army does not make a country fascist. If that were true then most countries in the world would be fascist, even Israel.


    And as for effectiveness, it would be a reasonable argument to say that the conscript IDF ranks among the best military forces in the world.


    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."