“Having a Dialogue with Islam is Impossible”

  • So says a Christian Priest...


    I rarely use other people’s work on my site, but this is an exception. Mario Alexis Portella is a priest of the Cathedral of Santa Maria del Fiore in Florence, Italy and a Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Florence. He has published a book Islam: Religion of Peace? The Violation of Natural Rights and Western Cover-Up.

    I find it extraordinary to see fact-based reasoning about Islam coming from any Christian leadership. Finally, a religious leader who is not willfully blind. Below is the interview.

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    Florence, The Chancellor of the Curia: “Islam is not a religion of peace. Dialogue is useless unless the Quran changes.”


    Interview with Mario Alexis Portella printed by the Italian newspaper La Verità on November 22, 2018

    “I Have Seen the Massacres in Iraq and I Say: Having a Dialogue with Islam is Impossible”

    The American priest speaks after having published a book Islam: Religion of Peace? The Violation of Natural Rights and Western Cover-Up on the “falsity” of the “religion of peace.” He says: “The violence is to be found in the pages of the Quran. There is no single authority who speaks for them, this facilitates the extremists.”

    Interviewer Marcello Mancini


    What type of dialogue can one have with those who want a woman, such as Asia Bibi dead — her crime offering a cup of water to other Muslim women?

    It is not a dialogue with the religion but with those who speak for the religion. Ever since Ataturk eliminated the caliphate in 1924 many Islamists have taking advantage of the political vacuum to represent Islam in their own manner. Here is speak about heads of state, and above all the imams. Since there is no central authority representing Islam altogether, it is difficult to individualize an interlocutor.


    Islam is not a religion of peace, as sustained by many Muslims. How can it be that they command ferocious “holy wars” of conquest and terrorism that upholds “holy martrydom?” And yet, there is a “Western cover-up,” which you speak of in our book?

    The cover-ups are for financial reasons simply because be so-called petrodollars take priority. Here one must see the profits to be gained from natural resources, such as gas. The Western reasoning is according to the real politik; the governments limit their rapport to that between states by which human rights are sacrificed. For example, Donald Trump criticizes Islamic religion that has generated terrorism but at the same time he sells arms to Saudi Arabia and Nigeria; these are two countries that systematically violate human rights not only against Christians but against their own peoples.


    Fr. Portella, you’re an American and have been to Iraq. You have seen how much Christians are persecuted and churches reduced to nothing. What expectations to Christians have of us in the West?

    From their side there’s a great disillusion because after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003 and the American invasion, the West has left them in political state of anarchy. In diverse villages and cities where Christians still live, the Shi‘te and Kurdish militias—many of them sustained by Iran—are officially in charge of security but in reality do not provide it. Hence, Christins live in fear because they are harassed by Muslims who now occupy the posts vacated after ISIS. In fact, many priests are unable to dedicate themselves to their pastoral ministry because they are in a continual struggle with local government officials to defend the Christians.


    We have set that Islam is a religion engaged in a holy war against the infidels. We are all infidels and we are in danger. And yet many apologists continue to justify Islam and provide false stories.

    Only one has to look at the original Islamic texts that speak the truth; those texts however are ignored by scholars and activists who maintain that they are being misinterpreted by those who terrorism and the Islamization of the world. It is simply not true.


    Father Portella, can you provide an example?

    It suffices to read the content of along in the fifth verse of the named sura (the last fundamental chapter of the Quran) which indicates how Muslims are supposed to behave with Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give alms, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


    You have said that it has been the weakness of the West is to have essentially stripped our rights of freedom of speech end of religion, categorizing anyone who questions Islamists’ intentions as an Islamaphobe.

    Here it is necessary to distinguish a Muslim from an Islamist. The former is he who submits to the religion of the prophet Muhammed, while the latter is an intellectual, such as an imam who takes upon himself to speak for Islam. In practical terms, Islamists have infiltrated government posts and lobbyists, such as the United Nations, and from that strategic position they have been able to convince the heads of state through the soft law, to criminalize any sort of criticism against Islam. In this manner they can embed themselves in society even more.


    Pope Francis has been accused by his critics for having betrayed the Church with Islam? What are your thoughts on that?

    The pope has done very well to bring the gospel of Christ to the Islamic world, as his predecessors Benedict XVI and John Paul II. Christianity, however, is based on the peace and love of God, while Islam justifies killing and war in its sacred texts. This makes it difficult individualize a constructive path with Muslims. It is more of a political problem than a religious one.


    Francis, nevertheless, has invoked dialogue via a reciprocal understanding between Muslims and Christians. How can we then dialogue with those who do not speak the same language of peace?

    The problem is with their representatives. When the Holy Father meets with certain individuals, such as Imam Ahmed el-Tayeb, the Rector-Emeritus of al-Azhar University—the most prestigious university in the Sunni world—he cannot rely on what he says; he speaks of peace with him, but when el-Tayeb goes back to Egypt he says something else. President el-Sisi himself tried to convince el-Tayeb and the religious body of the Islamic world in 2014 to see and interpret the Quran in a historical context because Muslims cannot continue the path where they justify violence from the verses. But he was blocked by el-Tayeb.


    Is there any type of credible outlook?

    In order to have a reciprocal dialogue, it is necessary for the imams who sustain the words in the Quran in a fundamentalist manner to revise their book. Above all, they must correct the hadiths (the sayings and acts of the Prophet) which justify violence.


    From what you have explained, I understand why the discourse of Pope Benedict XVI at Regensburg shook-up certain people. Ratzinger mentioned that Muhammad, early in his preaching of having allowed the freedom of choice. Once, however, he gained power, he used the sword to convert others. He was right.

    The reaction to his discourse demonstrates that Islam does not tolerate any critical analysis.


    Father Portella, what future do Christians have in Iraq?

    The United States can still influence the political issues of the central government in such way that Christians can have the same rights as Muslims and Kurds. Having said this, even if Iraqi Christians do not trust the American government, they maintain great hope in their hearts. The decision of Trump to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal instituted by President Obama can be a way to constrain the Iranian regime. Pressure them even economically to the point that the militias they sustain lose their influence and stop persecuting Christians.



    https://www.jihadwatch.org/201…-unless-the-quran-changes

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”


    Presbyterian Rev. Gilbert Tennant:

    “He that suffers his life to be taken from him by one who has no authority for that purpose, when he might preserve it by defense, incurs the Guilt of self murder since God has enjoined him to seek the continuance of his life, and Nature itself teaches every creature to defend itself.”

  • there's no single authority that speaks for Christianity either. How many billion Muslims are there who are not violent?

    This guy is an idiot.


    Maybe... but if you actually read what their books (the Koran) says... well... seems to match what this priest says... so?


    and if ya read it... the guys says the only way it works is if many of the moose lambs change their views...

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”


    Presbyterian Rev. Gilbert Tennant:

    “He that suffers his life to be taken from him by one who has no authority for that purpose, when he might preserve it by defense, incurs the Guilt of self murder since God has enjoined him to seek the continuance of his life, and Nature itself teaches every creature to defend itself.”

  • Maybe... but if you actually read what their books (the Koran) says... well... seems to match what this priest says... so?


    and if ya read it... the guys says the only way it works is if many of the moose lambs change their views...

    And if you actually read what is in the bible, you'd get much the same idea. Like a billion Muslims are NOT violent. The guy is a moron.

  • At best... the billions of muslims who do not strap on a suicide vest are passive aggressive. It is a religion of hate and intolerance and violence.


    lazs

    "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."



    Pancho Villa, last words (1877 - 1923)

  • At best... the billions of muslims who do not strap on a suicide vest are passive aggressive. It is a religion of hate and intolerance and violence.


    lazs

    They are the same as a billion Catholics or Christians who don't really follow the literal words written in their bible. They are exactly like you and I.

  • maybe.. but given the level of violence a minority of them cause.... the rest should be condemning that violent group. There is also a huge difference between not going to church every sunday and saying that infidels must die.


    The point is that christianity has evolved. muslims are stuck in the 9th century. I would bet that most muslims would welcome living under sharia law here. I don't see other religions throwing acid into the face of women who do not follow the bible.


    lazs

    "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."



    Pancho Villa, last words (1877 - 1923)

  • Oh... I agree.... most of the christians I know would condemn the acts of violence in the name of the bible tho.. Or call em idiots. The muslims do not do this.


    lazs

    "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."



    Pancho Villa, last words (1877 - 1923)